The Next Conversation: “What Do We Do Now?”

Event Date: Tuesday, November 22, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Summary

A conversation about where we stand in difficult times, and what we need to do next. Read on below for details.

The Guests

I’m working on it. Stay tuned.

The Story

As I write this, friends are flocking onto Facebook, to commune, to share their grief, to state their fears as to what is to come. A lot of the responses are about loving one another, and that is a beautiful reaction.

Stephen Thrasher, writing last night in the Guardian, suggested, “Hold your loved ones close.” For Thrasher, “loved ones” is a broad category, and must include: “People of color, women, Muslims, queer people, the sick, immigrants.” It’s true. If the responsibility to be an effective, generous, and compassionate ally was ever needed, it’s there now.

As good and valuable as such advice is, it might be interpreted as hunkering down, and that is one thing we cannot do.

Whenever something like this happens (and I stress “like this;” this particular moment is, I think, unprecedented in recent history, at least in the United States), a common response on the left is to see it as an opportunity: “Things will get so bad that there will be a revolution, and we’ll pick up the pieces.” It doesn’t work that way. Real revolutions are rare, and those created from adversity and chaos almost always go wrong. The best chance for a progressive, stable revolution is to build it on a progressive stable base.

Oddly, huge portions of that base already exist. At least some of the fear we are seeing is a fear that whatever gains we have made will be lost. And that so much energy will be spent trying to protect ourselves and our allies that we will have nothing left for moving forward.

You, the people on the mailing list for these conversations are for the most part artists, writers, performers, technologists, activists, administrators. We are entering into a time of uncertainty, and a suggestion of deep danger. What will our role be in the coming months and years?

The two biggest struggles that face us today are the perennial fight for social justice around race, class, and gender. And the ongoing struggle to counter the radical changes in the world’s climate and deal with the effects of those changes. The interesting thing is that both struggles interrelate, and that creative work in one often provides solutions in the other.

But now, it seems as though any progress in either struggle will be made much more difficult by the rise of the shiftless right, by the arrival of a vicious opportunistic con artist in the seat of power, by the petty and vindictive people who surround him, by the loathing that seems to have embraced a huge portion of the body politic. But maybe not.

It’s worth recalling Franklin Roosevelt’s famous line from his first inaugural address: “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.” I’m thinking of fear here not as a clear adrenalin reaction to an immediate threat, but as an anxiety about what might come. For many of us, any such anxiety is based on the phantasms that we ourselves are conjuring up, from images of brown shirts in the streets to apprehension as to what may happen to the dreamers and Muslims, and, quite frankly, to us. Such fear can indeed be paralytic.

So, what do we do now? What are our options? Can we summon the honesty, courage, imagination, and discipline to act effectively? Where do we focus our energies? Electoral politics? Community building? Erecting firewalls? Revisualizing reality? And is there some magic that we possess as organizers and culture workers that can allow us to be of special service in the struggles to come?

Come talk about it.

The Next Conversation: “Art and Technology: 9e2 and What’s Coming”


Date: Tuesday, October 18, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Summary

We will bring together a few 9e2 participants to talk about what we’re up to. Read on below for details.

The Guests

We’ll be pulling together some of the people working on 9e2 projects. Stay tuned.

The Story

This time we’ll be revisiting the topic of art and technology, and bringing in art and science as well. As many of you know, I’ve been working for months with a talented group of people to put on “9e2,” which will happen in less than ten days, from October 21 through 29, upstairs at King Street Station. It is shaping up to be a beautiful event. For this conversation, I want to talk about a few of the 9e2 performances and projects, and more broadly, we will be talking about how art and technology intersect, and what effects art can have on the investigations of science.

This series has encountered art and technology before from a number of angles. This time, we’ll cover that intersection within the frame of specific current and coming technologies and changes in the way we make art and bring it to an audience. I want to look at Seattle’s role in an ongoing technological revolution, and the direct intersections here between art, technological development, and scientific research. I’m especially curious as to how the new intersections can help us move toward a culture of sustainability and social justice.

The basic description of 9e2: in 1966 Robert Rauschenberg and Billy Klüver, a Bell Labs engineer, got together to produce the first major festival of art and technology in New York City. Titled “9 Evenings: Theatre and Engineeering,” the event had ten artists teamed up with 30 Bell Labs engineers and technicians to produce nine evenings of performance art driven by some of the newest technologies of the time: infrared cameras, live onstage video projections, Doppler sonar, remote-controlled moving platforms, biofeedback, and more. The artists included Rauschenberg, John Cage, and a group of dancers and choreographers who have since become legendary: Yvonne Rainer, Lucinda Childs, and Deborah Hay.

This month, we are celebrating a half century since the original a new festival of art, science, and technology. With 11 performances and 17 installations, we are commemorating the half-century since 1966, while we explore new directions and intersections.

I’ll be corralling a few of the participants to come and talk about what they are up to, and we will all address a broader view of where we stand and where we are going. I’ll let you know who those are closer to the event.

Do come.

And come to 9e2. Here is website, and the calendar. Opening night will be spectacular.

A Voice Without the Words to Speak

Hello Conversation Friends,

We are back with Vermillion conversations for the fall, this time with a guest conversation. The ever-extraordinary Tessa Hulls is leading a discussion about loss of language, with a group of excellent guests. Details are laid out below. You must come; this will be very good.

Before that, however, two brief announcements related to art, science, and technology:

9e2, the project I’ve been working on, is going at full steam. Take a look at

The deadline for 4Culture’s Tech-Specific grant is coming up: September 29. Check it out.

And now, without further ado, the main attraction:

A Voice Without the Words to Speak: A Roundtable Discussion on Loss of Language

Co-produced by Tessa Hulls and John Boylan’s Conversation Series

Tuesday, September 27, 7 to 9pm

Vermillion Art Gallery and Bar, 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Story

Our identities our defined by language: even within the intimacy of our own minds, we need words to shape the timbre of what we think and what we feel. Externally, the languages that we speak place us within larger contexts—of culture, of identity, of belonging. So what happens when we lose access to language? What does it mean when we lack the words to fully frame who we are?

In this participatory roundtable discussion, attendees are invited to share their own perspectives as four invited panelists discuss their personal and professional experiences working with a broad spectrum of language loss.

This event is supported through a City Artist grant through the Seattle Office of Arts & Culture, and is a part of the larger project Feeding Ghosts: The Life of Sun Yi (more information about this project and its connection to this event is included at the end of this announcement).

The Guests and some questions: 

Gregory Sutterlict, whose name is Tuwalitin, is a linguist who serves as the Director of the Heritage University Language Center in Toppenish, Washington. Founded to revitalize, preserve, and promote endangered languages, the center focuses on Ichishkin (Sahaptin), the language of the Yakama people. How does the personal loss of the ability to speak a language differ from the larger loss of a language system as a whole? How does a culture’s sense of identity shift when its members lose the names and words with which they have defined themselves?

Sharon H. Chang is a scholar, activist, and author whose inaugural book, Raising Mixed Race: Multiracial Asian Children In a Post-Racial World, was released last year to wide acclaim. Both Sharon and her husband were born to Asian immigrants who did not pass their heritage languages on to their children; now, as parents themselves, Sharon and her husband are striving to raise their son with proficiency in one of his heritage languages. When it comes to the loss of native tongue, why do we so often find ourselves in a Joni Mitchell place of, “Don’t it always seem to go/that you don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone?” We are seeing a push within our educational system for more bilingual education, and for children to be introduced to language instruction and immersion at an earlier age: can we take this as a sign of progress, an acknowledgment that we do not need to fully lose something before fighting to regain it?

Rose Hulls is a special education teacher—and the mother of the organizer of this event—who spent her career focusing on language development in young children with language disorders; at the same time, her first-generation American children do not speak her native tongue of Cantonese. What does this say about generational shifts in the value of heritage language, and how does the immigrant experience—both implicitly and explicitly—affect our relationships to cultural belonging and to the languages we geographically leave behind?

Litsa Dremousis is the author of the book “Altitude Sickness,” and has had Myalgic Encephalomyelitis for twenty-five years. The way in which we move through the world is a physical language: if our bodies become impaired—particularly in ways that might not be immediately apparent or easily defined—how does that impact the way in which we physically communicate? If the body has a voice, what happens when this voice is damaged? In the case of Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, this compromised vocabulary is twofold; the disorder used to be called “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,” and this is “now regarded by the Institutes of Medicine as one of the most wildly inaccurate and pejorative misnomers in medical history.” Even now, an agreed-upon vocabulary has yet to fully emerge; we are still shaping and learning the words that we need in order to talk about this illness.

The Guests in Detail

Rose Hulls was born in Shanghai, China, in 1950, right after the Communist takeover. She was smuggled out of China to Hong Kong with her mother in 1958 when the Chinese government issued exit visas for a large number of people to leave the country on account of famine within China. At the age of eight, her mother enrolled her in a British boarding school in Hong Kong. She had not been exposed to the English language prior to that time, but within a year, she was speaking English fluently, along with the Shanghainese dialect that she had grown up with, and the Cantonese dialect (predominant in Hong Kong) that she learned after arriving in Hong Kong. She came to the US for college when she was 19, and after completing a BA in History and French, went on to earn a master’s degree in the Education of Exceptional Children. She worked as a special educator in the San Francisco Bay Area from 1980-2012, specializing in language development for young children with language disorders. In the final decade of her work life, she additionally completed a doctorate in psychology. She has two adult children, and has lived in the SF Bay Area since 1975, and is now retired

Gregory Sutterlict, whose name is Tuwalatin, is Yakama and Chehalis and a father of 3. He is the Director of Heritage University Language Center (HULC), which was created to help revitalize, preserve, and promote endangered languages, focusing on Ichishkin (Sahaptin), the language of the Yakama people. He received his BA at Heritage University, then did his Masters work at University of Washington, and completed all the coursework for a PhD in linguistics at the University of Oregon. He is currently working on his Dissertation. When he wanted to learn his native language it was difficult to get started; then he heard about Ichishkin classes at HU and met Tuxamshish Virginia Beavert, his teacher and elder, and became hooked in language. Tuwalatin made his University language classes available to the community to learn their language for free, and he started the Zillah After-School Language and Culture Club and the Ichishkin-focused toddler class at the Heritage University Early Learning Center, where he helps with teaching material and teaching strategies.

Litsa Dremousis is the author of “Altitude Sickness” (Future Tense Books), which Seattle Metropolitan Magazine named one of the all-time “20 Books Every Seattleite Must Read.” Her essay “After the Fire” was selected as one of the “Most Notable Essays 2011” by Best American Essays, she’s a Contributing Editor at The Weeklings, and The Seattle Weekly named her one of “50 Women Who Rock Seattle.” She is a Washington Post contributor and her work has appeared in myriad publications, including Esquire and New York Magazine. @LitsaDremousis,

She has had Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, a degenerative neuro-immuno illness, for 25 years. The World Health Organization estimates 17 million people worldwide have ME, and the Centers for Disease Control estimates one million Americans have ME. It used to be called “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome,” now regarded by the Institutes of Medicine as one of the most wildly inaccurate and pejorative misnomers in medical history. What was once dismissed as “yuppie flu” is now known to be degenerative, incurable, and potentially fatal. She walks with crutches and has written each word of her career while lying down.

Sharon H. Chang has worked with young children and families for over a decade as a teacher, administrator, advocate and parent educator. She is currently an award-winning author, scholar and activist who focuses on racism, social justice and the Asian American diaspora with a feminist lens. Her inaugural book Raising Mixed Race: Multiracial Asian Children In a Post-Racial World was released in 2015 to rave reviews. Her pieces have additionally appeared in BuzzFeed, ThinkProgress, Hyphen Magazine, ParentMap Magazine, The Seattle Globalist, AAPI Voices and International Examiner. She also serves as a consultant for Families of Color Seattle and is social media coordinator for the Critical Mixed Race Studies Conference.

Sharon and her husband are both children of Asian immigrants who grew up in America at a time when assimilation was heavily pushed. Consequently neither of them are even conversational in their father and mother tongues, respectively. This language loss has always felt acutely painful to them especially in the ways it’s tied to institutional, xenophobic US racism. Today they are trying to raise their young son with proficiency in one of his heritage languages but the challenge continues to be long, hard and arduous.

About this event and its connection to Feeding Ghosts: The Life of Sun Yi: 

This event is part of the larger project Feeding Ghosts: The Life of Sun Yi, an in-progress graphic novel by Tessa Hulls. Feeding Ghosts explores loss of language, generational inheritance of trauma, mental illness, mother/daughter relationships, mixed-race American identity, and loss of culture, through the life story of the author’s maternal grandmother, Sun Yi.

Sun Yi was a reporter in Shanghai in the 1940’s, where she had an affair with a Swiss diplomat during the year of the communist takeover, and became pregnant with a mixed-race bastard child. She fled the country for Hong Kong with her young daughter, Rose, in 1958 and subsequently wrote a bestselling autobiography entitled “Eight Years in Communist China: Love, Starvation, Persecution.” Sun Yi used the money from her book to enroll her daughter in an elite British boarding school in Hong Kong, and then suffered a nervous breakdown—initially diagnosed as schizophrenia and later revised to bipolar disorder—and was institutionalized. When Rose Hulls immigrated to the United States on a college scholarship, she eventually brought her mother over with her, and Tessa Hulls grew up with Sun Yi living within her nuclear family. In spite of the fact that Sun Yi and Rose conversed solely in Cantonese, Tessa did not learn the language, and was never able to truly communicate with her grandmother, or read her autobiography.

Now, as an adult and professional artist, Tessa is seeking to remedy the fact that she never truly knew her grandmother or her culture, and is working on a graphic novel about Sun Yi’s life and the generational impact of its reverberations. With the generous support of a City Artist grant from the Seattle Office of Arts & Culture, Tessa commissioned a translation of her grandmother’s autobiography, and is presenting this roundtable discussion as a component of this grant. Tessa has also received a research grant from 4Culture and will be traveling to Hong Kong this fall to see where her mother and grandmother lived.

The conversations are off for the summer

Hello Everyone,

Attentive readers of these conversation announcements may have noticed a shortage of them over the past couple of months. This has been a tired season for conversations, I’m afraid. Now, as we always do, we’re calling it quits for the summer. Go outside and stay there as much as you can!

It will be a good time for the conversations to regroup, and we’re planning an exceptionally fascinating topic for September, with more to come.

Meanwhile, I’m consumed with work on the Big Project many of you have already heard about, 9e2. We’ll be staging 9 evenings (and days) of art, science, and technology, running from October 21 through 29. The event will commemorate a half century since “9 Evenings: Theatre & Engineering” was held in New York City, while at the same time exploring, investigating, and celebrating the interplay between art, science, and technology in the 21st century.

We’ll have performances, installations, exhibit, conversations, working with neuroscience, big data, biotech, ecology, virtual and augmented reality, and more. The whole thing is on track to be one of the most amazing events of the year.

You can learn more at If you want to get updates, subscribe to the 9e2 blog (and be sure to add your email in the box at the bottom of the site home page.) I won’t be sending out any updates to this list, which is mostly just for the conversations. And if you want to support the project or otherwise get involved, feel free to get in touch with me directly. I would love to hear from you.

Hoping you have a wonderful summer.




Next Conversation: “The Art of Politics”

Event Date: Tuesday, March 22, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Summary

This time we’re talking about art and electoral politics. Read on for more information.

The Guests (see bios below)

Laura Dean, designer, activist

Pamela Keeley, artist, activist

And we’re working on getting at least one more guest

The Story

We’re back! After our little writer’s block hiatus, we’re ready to have a conversation. This time, we’re looking at the art of politics, and more specifically, the roles that artists and culture workers play in electoral politics.

We have two excellent guests, artist and activist Pam Keeley and designer and activist Laura Dean. We’re looking for at least one more guest.

We’ll talk about electoral politics and about art, and the intersections between the two. In an electoral year that has seen both stunning beauty and vicious brutality, what do artists and other cultural workers bring to everyday politics? Can art and artists change the discourse? Is there something about artistic thinking that can change the ways in which politics happens? Or not?

So much about the political action that we know so well, action around specific issues and causes, lives on the energy of art: street theater, stunning graphics, giant puppets, and more. It’s political action relying on the power of surprise and imagination. But what about electoral politics? Is it doomed to remain a prosaic matter of polls, phone banks, and stump speeches?

Fascism and its offshoots tend to rely on a twisted form of art, a nasty sort of imagination: a theater of brutality, graphics designed to portray raw power, a poetry of death. What is the art of everyday democracy?

Come and talk about it.

A Note about something else that is coming up: Longtime Seattle writer and activist Philip Wohlstetter is putting together a project for May 2017 called “Red May.” (Readers of these announcements may recall that Philip and I created a conversation called “Looking Backward and Looking Forward” in 2009, pulling together a number of younger and older cultural and political activists.)
At one level, Philip’s Red May will bring together a number of activities built around the color red. At the same time, it will look into many facets of the work we do, from dance and theater to physical labor and union organizing.

On April 3, I’m facilitating the first of a series of Red May discussions at INCA Institute on Lower Queen Anne.
Scroll to the bottom of this message to get the details.



The Guests in Detail

Laura Dean studied psychology in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where she worked and volunteered with at-risk youth. In 2001, she moved to Seattle to explore how her creative interests could be used to cultivate positive social change. While a security guard at SAM and the Frye, she taught herself animation and web design and then moved to San Francisco to pursue a MA in interaction design. In 2008, she organized a rural county in Wisconsin for Obama before returning to Seattle. Since then she’s worked as an animator, illustrator, hack coder and most predominantly a User Experience Designer, on multiple projects with creative agencies and start-ups, while volunteering for progressive causes on the side. Currently she’s a Director of User Experience with MyGrove, a small start-up based out of Brooklyn and a volunteer organizer with the Bernie campaign. For her, it’s not about winning one election; it‘s about changing the trajectory of US politics.


Pam Keeley writes:

I was born an artist and have been a political activist and nurse for the past forty four years. My political activism began with the campaign of JFK and grew to include multiple civil rights movements of the era. In 1972 I founded the first gay liberation group in Springfield, Illinois and have continued LGBTQ  and other political activities through the decades since. In 1975 I was a founding member of Colorado First Feminist Credit Union (the first such institution in the United States), created specifically to give economic power to women. Being a nurse has only deepened my inclinations to champion the socially wounded.

Locally I’ve been involved with organized labor (shop delegate and executive board member for SEIU 1199) and worked for candidates in numerous political campaigns, including President Obama (national delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention), WA 37th LD Senator Pramila Jayapal, Seattle City Council Member Kshama Sawant, and Senator Bernie Sanders’ current presidential campaign.

The creative bandwidth of art often provides a unique vehicle for my political concerns – from content in individual works to projects organized with other artists. My collaborative efforts include guerrilla billboards in support of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua in the late 80’s and early 90’s, installations for women’s rights, and, more recently, a collectively-created mural on the UW Tacoma campus, commemorating the Occupy movement and Wisconsin uprising of 2011. In 2008 I organized a large Artists for Obama fundraiser in Seattle (one-of-a-kind hand-painted t-shirts and other objects) and currently coordinate another group, Artists for Sawant, which has 158 members.



Finally, Philip Wohlstetter’s Red May discussion

Next Red May Open House will take place April 3rd, 4:30-6:30 PM at INCA Institute, 2 West Roy St. on Queen Anne (one block over from On the Boards).  Expect wine, cheese, schmoozing, and for a change of pace, the first in a series of three extended visualization games. We want to ask you to play, to riff together, to collaboratively sketch out an art-political intervention/exhibition on the theme “The Working Day or The Struggle over Time.” Facilitating the process will be John Boylan, moderator of the long running “Conversations” series at Vermillion.


Here is the premise…




Your keystrokes are monitored, your bathroom breaks are timed; you’re pressured to stay after hours, to work off the clock. Rest periods you’re legally entitled to become unavailable, just like in Victorian times when a Factory Inspector could write, “I continue however to receive about the usual number of complaints that half, or three quarters of an hour in the day, are snatched from the workers by encroaching upon the times professedly allowed for rest and refreshments…” It wasn’t supposed to play out this way. Automation was supposed to usher in an Age of Leisure.  Three-hour working days. Fifteen-hour workweeks. But where are we after a century of seemingly-victorious labor struggles forced the working week down to 40 hours? According to a Gallup Poll (Sept. 2, 2014, Washington Post), an average workweek in the United States is 46.7 hours with 21 percent of workers clocking in 50-59 per and another 18 percent working 60 plus hours.


Moments are the elements of profit. In every workplace, the struggle over time continues. Or as a forgotten gent named Marx once put it, on one side, we have “Capital’s drive towards a boundless extension of the working day;” on the other, the worker’s efforts to set limits, “to reduce the working day to a particular normal length.” What kinds of events, interventions, exhibitions could be staged that would dramatize and interrogate this struggle? What kind of information and testimony could we collect and record? How and where would we present it? Should the final product be an exhibit? What kind and in what sort of place? Who are the logical partners and co-conspirators in this investigation?  What else could we collage in?

What kinds of projects or works explore this same area?


This is the first of three open houses/play periods at Inca. Invite everybody. Anyone can play. In May, the theme will be “De-Commodifying Eduication or What Should A Red May University Offer?” In June, we’ll riff on “Hot Money vs. The Right of the City.” As soon as we nail down the dates, we’ll get them out.


Nothing is off the table. Any one of these exercises could lead to a Red May event. But our immediate goal is more modest: to get to know each other, to delight our collective imaginations, to liven up the afternoon.

Hope to see you.





John Boylan’s Next Conversation: “Taking Stock”

Event Date: Tuesday, January 26, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

To link to this announcement, do so at


The Summary

This time we have no theme, and no guests, except of course, for you. Read on for details.


The Guests (see bios below)

This time, you’re the guests.


The Story

Hi faithful conversation followers,

We’re coming out this month with a late conversation notice, and one of those no-guest, no-theme conversations. Chalk it up to the disruption of the holidays and getting off to a cold start with the new year.

So next week’s conversation will be one of those loose, free-ranging affairs. I can promise you that it will be a smaller group than usual, and there’s a good opportunity to drill into a topic or two.

Here are a few ideas we might cover.

We continue to see a lot of anger around the rapid reconstruction of the city. For people who can’t afford the rising rents or find an affordable house to buy—and that’s a lot of people—the dislocation sucks.

But it shouldn’t be a surprise. Radical dislocation is often the way in which cities change and grow, especially under capitalism. Think of living in Manhattan in the early decades of the 19th century, when the population ballooned from 100,000 to half a million. Or Paris under Napoleon III and Georges-Eugene Haussmann, when whole neighborhoods were torn down in order to create grand boulevards. Or the radical transformations of Shanghai and Beijing since the 1980s.

Or Vancouver in the 1970s, when huge sections of the single-family neighborhoods were bulldozed to create high rises. Or Elliott Bay at the end of the 19th century, when inlets that were rich with clams, eel grass, and salmon became polluted harbors, and fishing villages were swept aside for warehouses and cheap apartments.

But realizing that you’re not alone doesn’t make it easier, especially in a city that claims to know a better way. Beyond the rents and the dislocations of too many people, much of the stuff that is getting built looks like hell, and the question arises: Doesn’t this city have any real design requirements?

In any case, that dislocation, and the need to fight it, work around it, disrupt it, and in some cases embrace it, is what makes life in a city so exciting, and potentially rewarding.

Or much of what we’re looking at these days is the need for racial and economic justice, combined with the deep understanding that the ways of modern life just cannot be sustained. I’ve been worrying an essay for months now about my own racism, sexism, classism, and my own privilege. It’s a tricky thing to write well. And it’s an easy thing to second guess, ad infinitum. How does that self-examination work? How can it work? How should it work? And how can we build something wonderful, a world we can be proud of?

There is so much else to talk about, from space exploration and electoral politics to spiritual awakenings and the ongoing sense of dread. Come join the conversation.


John Boylan’s Next Conversation: “Youth Culture, Youth Organizing”

Event Date: Tuesday, November 17, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

To link to this announcement, do so at

The Summary

This time we’re talking about what happening in youth culture and youth organizing. Read on for details.

The Guests (see bios below)

Lisa Chen, executive director, FEEST

Nora Germani, executive producer at Black Tie Productions, student

Timothy Lennon, executive director, the Vera Project

Christina Nguyen, poet, youth organizer, Youth Speaks

And I’m seeking a fifth from Sawhorse Revolution

The Story

When I was a kid there were not a lot of options for youth programs. There was scouting, sports, church groups, and high school clubs. But most of these were pretty much top down. How good they were often depended on how cool, imaginative, or open the adult leader was.

There were exceptions: when I was in high school, my father, an actor and a steelworker, got together with some college professor friends to stage theater readings for their kids. I can recall sitting around an 18th century brick cellar in the home of a friend, as we all read parts from “Cyrano de Bergerac” and “The Madwoman of Chaillot.” I can still recall thinking that the girl who read the part of the madwoman, a year or two older than me, was superb.

But even this was top down, and only lasted for maybe a year or less.

I started thinking about this conversation with the realization that there are increasing numbers of youth cultural programs that are run—and sometimes instituted—by youth. And even those that are firmly controlled by adults are looking for ways to empower youth, not just give them culture.

Youth Speaks, while operating under the auspices of Arts Corps, is a youth-led poetry project. And one of the coolest things about it is that each year there is new group of youth leaders who go through training in leadership, management, event production, and community organizing.

Black Tie Productions, cofounded by our guest Nora Germani, is a theater company run, and almost completely supported by, high school students. They work independently of the schools they attend, and have produced huge, full-orchestra musical productions about such topics as growing up transgendered and teenage alienation and suicide.

With Sawhorse Revolution’s Impossible City project, students work with architects and residents of a homeless camp to design and build moveable tiny houses. With FEEST, students collectively cook their own meals, all the while learning about nutrition, food justice, food politics, and youth-led food solutions.

And then there’s the venerable Vera Project, where youth engage in—and learn about—music production and performance, as well as community organizing.

There’s amazing energy out there, and so much more is happening. Come and talk about it. (And note that while Vermillion is a bar, those under 21 can still be in the space, as long as they don’t go up to the bar itself.)

News Flash: As some of you know, I’ve been working on a project called 9e2, a huge art, science, and technology event that will happen in October 2016, as well as the months leading up to that date. 9e2 is a celebration of the interplay between art, science, and technology in the 21st century. And it is also a commemoration of the half-century anniversary of a pivotal art and technology event that happened in 1966, “9 Evenings: Theatre & Engineering.”

You can read more about 9e2 and the history of 9 Evenings at the 9e2 website.

And you can support 9e2 and help us put together seed money through our Indiegogo crowd funding campaign. Become a 9e2 supporter!

The Guests in Detail

Lisa Chen is the Executive Director of FEEST, a nationally recognized model for youth engagement on issues of food access, food justice, and systems change. By way of California, Lisa has planted roots in the Pacific Northwest as a volunteer youth mentor at the Service Board and a union organizer focused on empowering working class communities of color. Her political identity stems directly from growing up as the only child of an immigrant single mother where she saw first hand how limited English workers were treated unfairly.

In her career, Lisa has led student campaigns against fee increases at the University of California, organized undocumented youth in the fight for comprehensive immigration reform, and worked alongside radical housekeepers to demand better working conditions. She has a special place in her heart for youth work, and believes deeply that transformative breakthroughs in young people will shift our communities to act from a place of love instead of anger.

Nora Germani is seventeen years old and is a senior at Ingraham High School. She is the Executive Producer and Artistic Director of Black Tie Productions, an entirely student-run theatre company. She also helped to found Black Tie and has worked with the company over the past three years, writing, directing, and designing shows. Nora has written several short plays and co-written three full-length musicals, she is currently working on a fourth to be produced by Black Tie in the spring.

A native of Providence, R.I., Tim Lennon moved to Seattle in September 2001 and has worked in arts and culture here ever since. He currently serves as executive director of the Vera Project, an organization that fuels personal and community transformation through collaborative, youth‐driven engagement in music and art. Prior to joining Vera, Tim worked at Seattle’s Office of Arts & Culture to create opportunities for musicians and artists and to connect them and their amazing work to Seattle audiences in a variety of ways. His past work includes program manager for The Next 50, a six‐month series marking the 50th anniversary of the 1962 World’s Fair, and programming coordinator for One Reel, producer of Bumbershoot, the Family 4th of July and other local festivals. Tim has also coordinated events for the Elliott Bay Book Co., the University of Washington and local non‐profits.  Tim serves on the Seattle Music Commission, is an alumnus and curriculum committee member of Leadership Tomorrow, and a member of the Civic Innovators Club and the Seattle People of Color Salon.

Christina Nguyen works with Arts Corps as an AmeriCorps Artist-in-Service member in the Teen Leadership Program and as Youth Speaks Seattle Coordinator. She is an aspiring poet and artist with passions and dreams to accomplish! Grown up and raised around fierce activists and advocates from the Seattle community since the age of fifteen, Christina is empowered to search and find her own voice with the resilient tools and new ideas she learns every day from her family in Youth Speaks Seattle. She hopes to channel her energy to others to help find and use their own power in the voices they were born with, through the magic of assisting poetry classes, carrying debatable yet enlightening conversation, and truly believing in others. She organizes with programs such as YouthCan through the Wing Luke Museum and as a mentor with Youth Speaks Seattle. On her spare time, you can usually find Christina sipping on peppermint tea whilst simultaneously sketching with a sharpie in hand.

John Boylan’s Next Conversation: “Creating Outlaw Space, Part Three”

Event Date: Tuesday, October 20, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Summary

This time we’re looking at outlaw space: what it is, how to find it, and most important, how to make it. Read on for details.

The Guests (see bios below)

Janet Galore, designer, artist, creative director

Michelle de la Vega, multidisciplinary artist

Sam Farrazaino, sculptor, space creator

Jessa Carter, designer, artist, creative director

And I’m seeking a fifth…

The Story

There’s been a lot of anger and frustration lately about a rapidly and radically changing Seattle, captured in a common vision of brogrammers invading Capitol Hill. I’m thinking that this anger and frustration doesn’t just have to do with rising rents; it’s also very much about the death of outlaw space.

I’m taking the term from Stewart Brand, the founder of the Whole Earth Catalog in the 1960s (which later begat Wired Magazine, among other things). For Brand, his “outlaw areas” could be hippie communes, space colonies, cyberspace, psychedelic experiences, or even just cheap, ragtag neighborhoods, as places where new ideas emerge. For me it’s any place that fosters escape from the miasma of everyday culture, straight culture, plastic culture; mainstream white culture. Or maybe better, it’s a place that fosters subversion of—or building on—those cultures, rather than just escape. It’s a place for creativity, and some degree of wildness, and maybe even just the ability to stop, to get off the treadmill, to hide out, to stop dealing with stuff. And ideally, it’s a place of support and generosity.

In the movies, outlaw space shows up everywhere, as a pirate’s lair, a remote hole in the wall, a hidden village, or a distant city of Amazons. For some of us, finding real outlaw space means going off to the woods, or hunkering down in a crowded city. It may be as simple as fighting to hang onto a block of small shops with roots going back decades.

There’s something energizing about having a blacksmith shop next to a dance studio next to a print shop next to a library next to a tavern that serves cheap drinks and features crusty old men at the bar, old men with stories, lots of stories. Things happen. Synergies arise.

As neighborhoods are leveled to produce huge soulless apartment buildings, it may seem as though outlaw space can’t exist. Or perhaps outlaw space happens at the level of what goes on in a living room or an empty lot, the little worlds we build for each other.

I go back to Brand’s sense that psychedelic experience could be an outlaw area. Not that we all should be dropping little tabs of Owsley Acid, but it may be that the only outlaw spaces that we can really depend on are in our heads. Or maybe not. Come and talk about it.

The Guests in Detail

Sam Farrazaino is a sculptor with a history of creating artist spaces around Seattle. Since 2006 he has been the founder and proprietor of Equinox Studios. Equinox houses 42 art studios and fabrication shops under the rubric “Fine & Heavy, Arts & Artisans.” The project has recently expanded into adjacent industrial buildings, which are currently under reconstruction as more studios and workspaces.

Michelle de la Vega’s work as a multidisciplinary artist includes installation, sculpture and mixed media. Her visual art practice spans 23 years and an 18-year career as a dance and performance artist.

Michelle’s interest is in creating immersive environments that connect communities, illuminate voices and explore concepts that are personally and collectively relevant to the human experience. Her process draws meaningful connections through community engagement, research, and artistic vision, weaving image, information, and story into holistic, genuine artwork.

Michelle has received international exposure through her design and build of a 250 sq. ft. mini-house and she is a passionate advocate of the small living movement.

She received her education from Otis Parsons in Los Angeles, CA, Cornish College of the Arts in Seattle, WA, and The South Seattle Community College Welding and Metal Fabrication Program.

Janet Galore was born and raised in Seattle. She is a veteran designer, artist, and creative director working in emerging technologies and applications. She enjoys pushing creative and technical boundaries, and supporting others in their creative endeavors. She’s known for her work in video games and VR, as animator and director of the surreal cult-classic series FishBar, as a curator, and as author and contributor to several books on animation and streaming media. She received a BS degree in pure mathematics from the University of Washington, and continued there with three years of graduate studies in pure and applied mathematics.

Jessa Carter’s educational and practical background is in graphics and design. She has consistently applied her skills and experience to the fashion world; working in trend forecasting for Nordstrom and as a creative director, brand strategist, photographer, and more with independent clients on the West Coast. She’s also applied her knowledge to the Seattle art and culture scene as a key member of the LoveCityLove Collective, a collaborative arts platform that focuses on public works, rebuilding community, and reviving spaces slated for development. She is currently exploring short video as a medium and a method.

John Boylan’s Next Conversation: ” Art and Design, Fabrication and Technology”

Event Date: Tuesday, September 22, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: Vermillion, an art gallery, bar, and neighborhood gathering place at 1508 11th Ave, Seattle

The Summary

This time we’ll look at the interplay between art and design, technologies and fabrication. In short, how we make things, and especially, how we make art. Read on for details.

The Guests (see bios below)

Aduén Darriba Frederiks, artist, researcher

Helene Steiner, designer, researcher

Dhairya Dand, researcher, engineer, and designer

The Story

We’re back. We hope you’ve had an excellent summer. Now, with coming of the dark and the beginnings of the rain, it’s time to get back into some conversation.

In this discussion we’ll be exploring the edges and the dynamics between design and art, and looking at the ways in which the processes of fabrication—and the technologies on which they depend—play with each other.

As the art we make and the culture we create become more complex and collaborative, these interfaces become more important. And it seems critical to better understand how they work. Of course, we may be going to some fairly basic questions: What is art, what is design? Where does the creativity live in a collaborative effort? And how does the act of making affect what we make?

For this conversation, we’ve assembled an international crew, people who live at the edges of art, design, and engineering. I can’t help but think that as we approach the craziness that is life in the 21st century, it’s these edges where new understandings and new innovations will appear and grow.

Come and have a conversation.

Next Up

In October (October 20) we’ll be revisiting a favorite topic of mine, with “Creating Outlaw Space, Part 3.” How do we find outlaw space, space for creativity and transformation outside the everyday, outside the mainstream culture? Whether it’s a home, a hideout, a whole neighborhood, or a state of mind, in this city on the make, how do we get there? More details to follow.


This seems to be a week for talking about design in a broader context. On Thursday, September 24, the Seattle Pecha Kucha tackles Design for Equity in its own unique way.

The Guests in Detail

Aduén Darriba Frederiks makes art that lies on the borders of machine and creature, and this translates itself into sculptures and body-worn devices. These live, behave, and act on their surroundings, in symbioses with their wearer. His research focuses on body-worn haptic interfaces, using touch-sensitive garments for social communication.

He has a background in Information Technology and holds a Master of Art degree in European Media. The combination of technology and art has been a driving force in his work since 2008, when he started to collaborate with fashion designers. At that moment he was highly influenced by robotics from his work on animations for the NAO H25. Today he is a recognized creative technologist in the field of fashion and technology.

He is currently an artist in residence at Microsoft Research in Redmond.

Helene Steiner is a London-based designer and researcher with a focus on new interactions in and with our (natural) environment. Her research follows a biological approach and looks at opportunities to not only bridge the physical and digital world but also the natural and artificial.

Her background is in Product Design with an MDes from the Bauhaus University in Weimar, where she started researching human behavior and the interventions of objects in different everyday life situations. During her time in Vienna she studied under FROG founder Prof. Hartmut Esslinger to explore the opportunities of extending our bodies with technology and prosthetics. That lead to her MA and MSc in Innovation Design Engineering at the Royal College of Art and Imperial College in London, to focus on how technologies can be better embedded in our environment to create interactions with our environment. The goal is delivery of contextualized information and a better understanding of our surroundings. She is collaborating with the Tangible Media Group at the MIT Media Lab on new dynamic biological interfaces on a cellular level.

Currently she is an artist in residence at Microsoft Research in Redmond and works on plant/computer interfaces and natural communication systems.

Dhairya Dand is an award winning researcher, engineer and designer based in Seattle. He currently runs oDD – a futurist factory X lab.

His work investigates the human body as a medium for computation, new materials as a tool to embody interactions, and design as a vehicle for mindfulness.

Had recent exhibitions at the V&A, Tokyo Design Week, and the MIT Museum; was part of the Forbes 30 under 30 list, has been a WIRED Innovation Fellow and an INK Fellow. Previously a researcher at the MIT Media Lab, amateur geologist in Saudi Arabia, toy designer in Singapore, sensory researcher in Tokyo, artist in residence at EYEBEAM in New York and political activist in Bombay.

Likes to travel, likes to meet new animals.

Some of his useless/useful inventions live here –

John Boylan’s Next Conversation: “Circus! Part Four”

Event Date: Tuesday, May 5, from 7:00 to 9:00 pm. Admission is free. Tell your friends.

Location: 12th Avenue Arts, 1620 12th Ave

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The scheduling for this conversation is a little unusual. We’re not having a conversation in April. There will be one in May, however, earlier in the month than usual (Tuesday May 5), and it’s at 12th Avenue Arts, not Vermillion. Read on for details.

The Guests

Terry Crane, co-founding director, The Acrobatic Conundrum

Elizabeth Klob, UMO Ensemble

Ty Vennewitz, clown with the Acrobatic Conundrum

Leah Jones, straps aerialist and hip hop dancer

David Crellin, circus emcee and cabaret singer, co-founder of the legendary Circus Contraption, and recently, director of IMPulse Circus Collective.

The Story

Longtime watchers of this series know that I have a passion for circus and vaudeville. We did our first of three conversations about circus ten years ago, and the latest was in 2011. I’ve done a wee bit of circus (as a complete amateur), watched a lot of both circus and vaudeville, and talked to enough artists in both areas to have a fascination with how it works, where it has been, and where it is going.

So I was pleased to find out that Terry Crane was interested in doing another circus conversation. He and his troupe, the Acrobatic Conundrum, are putting on THREE HIGH, a circus festival at 12 Avenue Arts and co-sponsored by the Seattle branch of Circus Now. Running from April 28-May 10, the festival features three shows, including the Cirque en Déroute’s “The Really Weird Cabaret!” and Acrobatic Conundrum’s “The Language of Chance.”

To me, circus has long been about bringing wonder and magic into the everyday. For centuries, circus troupes and later, variety shows, were often the one of few sources of source of everyday magic. Nowadays, in a time when wonder might seem so common as to be cheap, magic is everywhere, from the tiny supercomputer you’re holding in your hand to the huge and spectacular fantasies of the silver screen.

So circus and its companion, variety, have found a new niche, of bringing us an immediate and human-scale delight, with talented people doing strange and amazing things to their bodies very much in front of us, delighting us, surprising us, and sometimes fooling us in ways that that the glowing screens can never imagine. But as contemporary circus explodes, is that niche big enough to welcome what’s coming?

In recent years, some circus performers have worked to stretch the model of what circus is. They’ve worked on bringing the power of theater and contemporary dance into what they do. A performance becomes a work, something more than a routine. Performers who’ve spent years perfecting the skills of aerial flight, say, now are working to master the discipline of the actor or the physical comedian. The superhuman becomes human, or even something less.

As with most things, sometimes the attempt at transformation and expansion works, and sometimes it doesn’t. But no matter what, the passion and the discipline remain and so does the wonder.

Come and talk about circus. And expect a few demonstrations of what we’ll be talking about.


Here are a few things happening you may find interesting:

  • Cafe Nordo, after long anticipation, has opened its new Culinarium in Pioneer Square with the show, Don Nordo del Midwest. Do check it out. Here’s some good press.
  • Third Place Technologies is organizing Electric Sky Art Camp, sort of a maker fair/summer camp for adults (children are welcome as well) on the Skykomish River in Skykomish. The goals are to camp, make stuff, and build community.